Prelude To Deconstructing Telangana March

My last post in which I tried to arrive at the number of people that attended the 30 September Telangana March has received a lot of attention and comment.

Some people went into convulsions. I see that they continue to be in that state. I don’t think they would recover soon.

Many resorted to abuse and accusations. While some of them were content with making toxic remarks, some others went a little further. They used expletives. A couple of them did not hesitate even to hurl four lettered words. Comments posted in my blog, twitter, and facebook are replete with invective by the separatists.  A lot of it is unrelated to the issue that I was examining.

But that is more a reflection of their state of mind. It has little to do what I wrote. And all that abuse, satire, could not disprove my point.

There was appreciation too. And some did take on the abusive separatists.

As is my wont, I tried to see if I could find any shred of argument which can even remotely challenge my calculation.

I am disappointed.

I did have some hope because some of the separatists seemed to have labored quite a bit.

They went to great lengths and even heights, literally, to knock down the basis of my argument.  One person collected pictures of tulip gardens of Keukenhof in the Netherlands. And another one went up to the star-studded sky. Both of them equipped themselves with a grid similar to the one I used. These labours, however, proved futile.

They would have been enlightened if they went to the necklace road with a measuring tape.

Another person labored to look up the specifications of all the big lift manufacturers in the world and came up with measurements of the sizes of their cars. Little did he feel the need to discount the claims of these manufacturers of ‘vertical transportation systems’.  They, like the automobile manufacturers while making claims on fuel consumption, tend to overstate. But I don’t mind taking them at face value and treat the separatists’ claims with some indulgence.

Readers would recall that I accommodated 30 persons per 100 square feet. I wrote: “Let us assume that these people are unusually inspired, and are packed as tightly as sardines. Then we can add another 5 people and make it 30 people per 100 square feet.”

This person found that the makers claimed to provide 3.6 square feet per person. And my calculation, however, yields 3.3 square feet per person. Probably when he calms down he will see that unwittingly he came close to my calculation. Unless of course he feels that he could fit in an extra 100 people in the space of 0.3 ft which is the difference between my estimation of space and the manufacturers’ claims.

Separtists’ energies were used up only in denouncing me, ridiculing me, abusing me. I wanted people know how they respond to an exposure. I retweeted their abuse. They didn’t like that too.

There is one thing common to all those who disagreed with me apart from the display of their capacity to vent their spleen.

None of them suggested an alternative way of estimating the crowd. Nor did they spell out the basis of their estimate that could yield a higher number.

If they merely wished for a larger number, and urged us to treat their wish as an estimate, they should say that. We could see that in a different light.

My piece also triggered creative talent from some unlikely quarters. Someone wrote a parody of my post. I must say, I immensely enjoyed reading about NASA, the stars and all the rest of it. Who won’t enjoy a parody? I am indeed blessed with ample sense of humour.

There are, however, two issues that need to be addressed: one, regarding the length and width of the venue, and the other regarding the density of the gathered crowd. Some thought I did not know the length and dimensions of the Necklace Road. And some thought I took only part of the crowd into account while arriving at the estimate. That is not the case.

These are the issues my next post is going to address. This is only a brief prelude to a complete deconstruction of the Telangana March of 30 September, 2012.

Regardless of what one thinks about the ebbing separatist agitation, these issues need to be examined. This will help us call the bluff of all political parties, the so called mass movements, mass leaders, and their tall claims of support.

Fasten your seat belts, my friends; don’t fly off the handle.

Watch this space. See you in a couple of days.

26 Responses to “Prelude To Deconstructing Telangana March”

  1. October 8, 2012 at 8:05 pm #

    Dr. Prabhakar:

    Technical specifications published by reputed companies can’t be dismissed as “claims” (like you do) or “advertisements” (like one of your supporters did). Elevators are considered industrial products unlike automobiles.

    Otis Home Elevator (http://www.otis.com/site/in/Pages/ResidentialProduct1.aspx)

    CAPACITY – 200KGS (UPTO 3 PERSONS)
    CAR SIZE – 850W * 1200D * 2000H

    850 mm/25.4= 33.46 in/12= 2.79 feet
    1200 mm/25.4= 47.24 in/12= 3.94 feet

    2.79X3.94 = 11 sq. feet per 3 persons or 11/3= 3.67 persons/sq. feet. I am not sure how you got 3.3.

    Can you ask your “friend” Adusumilli to provide the make/model of his elevator?

    The tulip photos were intended to convey photographs are not to scale. Not sure if you caught the point.

    “None of them suggested an alternative way of estimating the crowd”:

    Not my job, old chappie. Educate yourself at your own cost & effort!

    • October 9, 2012 at 12:00 am #

      Rolf for ur belief on technical specs. any technical specification comes with conditions apply*.

      Prabhakar garu, are you expecting from these chicken head separatists forsome method to estimate. Here are few examples of their great estimation skills invented by the late pundit jayasankar.

      population of telangana is 4.5 crores. (from 2009 to 2012, 1 crore increase)

      over 2 lakh govt jobs are stolen from telangana.

      Jurala has the capacity of only 3 tmc.

      900 people suicide for telangana. (offlate, the number is not rapidly growing due to fuel hike, however it is almost one person a day started with srikantha chari)

      million people came for million march on tank bund..

      • October 9, 2012 at 4:36 pm #

        Satya,

        The term “conditions apply” relates to offers. I guess you are thinking of “specifications subject to change”. Be that as it may, you still can’t dismiss a speck doc as a “claim” or “ad”.

        Adusumilli chose to rely on a hunch (imaginary 16 sq. ft. elevator with an imaginary capacity of 4) instead of looking up technical documentation.

        Prabhakar thought he found a mistake in my numbers but his calculation of 3.3 is plainly wrong as you can see yourself. He is also ignoring the fact all other elevator models (i.e. the ones used by ordinary folks, not the super rich guys who install an elevator in their homes) yield between 1.7-2.0.

        Still no news from Kurnool on venue size, grids, photos, elevators, sainkis etc. 🙂

        • October 9, 2012 at 8:37 pm #

          Jai go, I thought of giving more clarification after that comment but i waited for reply. A specification is like length, width, height etc which are measurable comes under technical spec.

          No of persons is an assumption and varies based on some norm.. if the US norm is 90 kgs for a person, then for the same lift they advertise 3 persons can fit in. because the person’s dimensions are not universally same like length, depth etc..

          with ur elevator analogy can u fit in 500 people in 1000 sqft?

          • October 10, 2012 at 3:20 pm #

            Satya, capacity is also a measure. Capacity is measured both by weight and count.

            I reiterate the elevator analogy is a product of Adusumilli’s festive imagination, not my contribution to the “debate”. If he did want to use this unconventional idea, the least he could have done is to look up documentation.

          • October 10, 2012 at 9:04 pm #

            >> Capacity is measured both by weight and count.

            This I alreday said that it is not in proportion to the number. Count is a reference but not a metric in this case.

            I know Adusumilli brought it for a reasonable comparison in open space, though he missed out in the spec part he did not make claims like you that the width of necklace road is 300 feet which is more than double of outer ring road.. 😀

    • October 9, 2012 at 8:11 pm #

      Your job, apparently is only to be a gutter inspector,old boy..

  2. October 8, 2012 at 9:56 pm #

    The threats or abuse of T separatists is reflective of the fact that they no longer have respectable, moral arguements for a seperate T. They hope by projecting strength (by adding imaginary zeros to the right on the number of people who turned up for “million man” (ha ha) march), or by intimidation or by abuse they can terrorise their opponents to offer them telangana on a platter.

    I want to tell these jokers that Prabhakar is not their main obstacle. There are 5 crore people in “seemandhra” not to mention crores in telangana ..and 100 crores in rest of india they need to convince. Hint : “maa dhee maaggavale” “we are different because we know urdu or we celebrate bathukamma” “we demand” “seemandhra are theives whereas we are innocent and virtuous like Sri Ramachandhra ” are not reasons but jokes.

    • October 8, 2012 at 10:14 pm #

      Rofl. A classic case of ‘devil reading from scriptures.’ We are antym ready for a one on debate mate. Hw can any 1 engage in a moral or respectable arguments with a mentally sick guy. If u knw d trick. Plz enlighten us 😉

      • October 8, 2012 at 11:20 pm #

        what is the “we” in “we are antym ready” and what do you mean that “we” is ready. The debate is over long time mate ….and no less than Justice Sri Krishna arbirtrated over it. When people like Kodanda Ram or KCR stopped talking about reasons who are you prancing around these forums declaring readiness to engage in a “debate”. Nobody is going to put a garland over you and invite you for a debate – you can post include anything believe as moral or respectable reason here. It is likely to be engaged by someone or other who comes here.

        Anyway if calling Prabhakar as “mentally sick guy” is a preview of your debating skills – I have a pretty good idea what to expect from you.

    • October 9, 2012 at 8:14 pm #

      Jai Samakhyandhra

  3. October 9, 2012 at 11:07 am #

    (1) What are the arguments in favour of a T state?

    (2) As and when, if and when it is formed, what should it be called? Surely not Telangana or Telugunadu; Unless you consider the language spoken in Hyderabad as “the” Telugu

    (3) Can a debate not be arranged in a civil manner between the proponents of the two factions?

  4. October 9, 2012 at 7:40 pm #

    Why you are not posting analysis of seemandhra Maarch and chalo Hyderabad conducted by seemandhra JAC..?

    dont have guts to post??

    • October 10, 2012 at 11:21 am #

      How can they post Rohit. there were nly a dozen donkeys it seems. Roflmao

      • November 24, 2012 at 2:39 pm #

        No Sir- There were 29 men, 12 women, 8 kids, 12 donkeys and 5 chicken in the Samaikyandhra march.
        Telangana march had had an unprecedented number of 3,00,000 donkeys according to TRS estimate. Normalized estimates of Parakala et.al., show ~ 35,000 asses, discounting a few men, women and children trapped in the group of these swamp donkeys.

  5. October 9, 2012 at 9:40 pm #

    andhra fellows are sick and loosers,if they keep telangana people with them forcefully it is total unjustice to the people of telangana,one fellow called satya what you talking blindly,when TRS contested with congress in 2004 election why dont u argued in tht time and then 2009 election TRS and TDP contested why dont you raised at that time,dont talk fullish things,if you have fighting for samaikyandhra can u give ur life? can you burnt urself can you do tht,you people have seen in the media how the people died in front of cameras but still you controversially commenting on people who died for telangana, if they want to kill anybody or harm any one if they think like that wr u stayed ur andhra leaders and u,dont under estimate telangana,can you live without telangana? those who died for telangana many are students from graduation and post graduation,Because of andhra people lost telangana people lost thr jobs,i will show many of them in private jobs you people looted 80% jobs in all 10 dist in telangana,can you show me in andhra atleast one company whr telangana people grabbed jobs,if you have mind first check OUTLOOK magzine september edition SCAM CAPITAL OF INDIA HYDERABADin tht ur andhra capatalist looted public money and 16 scamster list of ur region people,if you go any whr in the country how you people damaged south india it wil be disclose to you, all big scams did by andhra leaders and capatalists, can you show me one telangana person, so telangana people real patriot thats why the respect hindi and north indian festivals can you celebrate it,since 10 yrs ur andhra people celebrating raksha bandhan, ganesh festival,, small states means developement , any economist tell you this things…ayeena me bakwas gallaku em telusu…

    • October 10, 2012 at 12:01 am #

      Thank you 🙂 . Got bored of this crap..

      • October 10, 2012 at 9:14 pm #

        why u people separated from madrass if u did tht it is correct, now we are asking separate state now it is become wrong, how u people change coolours like usaravelli…

  6. October 9, 2012 at 9:52 pm #

    if any one wants talk against telangana first you think why ur saying against it then talk,in samaikyandhra faltoo agitation bt i dont called tht agitation its opposite dharna,one fellow commented on JAYASHANKER SIR what you know about him, he was not married because he wants to fight for telangana and he was worked in many institutes and his saleries and assets gave it to the poor people,can you do that for samaikyandhra when you want comment first u should know person and his stature,faltoo bakwas people,because of u people soth india become scamsters adda eg:gaali jananrdhan reddy,jagan,ysr,kavuri,rayapati,lagadapati,raja,kanimoli it goes on like long tail….

    • October 11, 2012 at 1:28 pm #

      what about krishna yadav, ale narendra, sabitha, devender goud, shabbir ali, kcr, chenna reddy etc.. are all these saints? dont talk foolishly.

      • October 11, 2012 at 8:08 pm #

        realy u poor fellows what ever mentioned names wt chennareddy wt he done he was never looted public money and case kcr wt he done? tell me does he is facing any enquiry for misusing funds or shabbira ali or ale narendra, yes in case of sabitha indra reddy yeh she is facing mining cases bt u go to the deep into case ur region big scamster ysr influenced sabitha to sign all mining deals, because ur andhra leader more invovement rather the ntelanganite,so think deeply rather then spiting on telangana leaders,yes iam agree tht our telangana some leaders are those chillara gallu like jagga reddy…bt they always support andhra this also shows finger at u…

        • October 11, 2012 at 11:33 pm #

          I did not support any corrupt..I Hate YSR to the core. but This is a statehood issue and not related to corruption. If ur leaders are shameless and dance to the tune of other corrupt leaders then it is not the fault of the corrupt but they are equally greed to get into power. Chenna reddy is corrupt to the core. Ale narendra was involved in passport scam. ur kcr is known as dubai sekhar. known for his human trafficking.

  7. October 10, 2012 at 3:58 pm #

    If u r bored with this topic,why r u interesting to comment,this web site created for only telangana topic,when i asked some questions this andhra felows dont have answer,this andhra they have talent to do scams and looting public money,if someone ask y u want separate state? i wil ask them y andhra people separated from madrass, if urs is correct telangana people 100% correct, if u wants to do any hulla gulla do one thing Ghanta kotandi, second option is also thr Ghanta Maaro..

    • October 11, 2012 at 1:32 pm #

      I am not bored of the topic but bored of same old argument from T separatists. cant go a fresh for each joe comes and repeat the same stuff like reddy vache modalette.

  8. October 11, 2012 at 8:10 pm #

    iam mentioned ur andhra scamster list all are facing enquiry,if u have doubt read outlook magzine rather then questioning me..

  9. October 11, 2012 at 8:16 pm #

    i will ask one question can u sacrifice ur life for samikyandhrapradesh answer? NO , but in telangana every one wants to come on the road and fighting for telangana,if u have any guts visit ten district of telanagana with ur grt analyst prabhaker and tell to the people united AP is better then telangana,,do that first rather then sitting at one place commenting on people of telangana..

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