Sorry. I Got It Wrong About Telangana March

About the Telangana March, I got it wrong. I went wrong with the numbers.

I said that their best effort was unimpressive. Sorry. I was wrong.

I uncritically accepted the estimates of the news papers and the television channels and also gave credence, more than I ought to have, to the estimates the organizers of the March have put out.

In my last post about the 30 September Telangana March I said: “The organizers claimed that about three lakh people attended. Observers of the event estimated the crowd was somewhere around a lakh. Those numbers were the high points.”

It turns out that everybody was trying to play safe, actually. Every media house in the state and every media person representing the so called national media wanted to be politically correct. Being politically correct in reporting the Telangana agitation means not to displease the separatists. To swallow hook line and sinker the tall claims of the organizers and publish them. While reporting the Kavaatu or Telangana March, they were all unanimous in saying that there was a massive crowd on the necklace road. Telugu papers were lyrical in describing the size of the gathering.

Sri Adusumillii Jayaprakash, an associate in our effort to refute the separatist argument, has done a clinical analysis of the visuals of the Kavaatu.

This is the picture of the March at its peak.

 

Picture of Telangana March

Telangana March Aerial View

 

As you can see, squares of equal size are superimposed on it to make calculation easy.

It is clear that some portions are very densely crowded while others are quite sparsely occupied. But to be generous, let us assume that the entire area is uniformly dense and take the densest portion as the basis to do our calculation.

This part of the picture is from the densest portion.

 

Telangana March At Its Densest

 

Now let’s do the numbers.

You will find 25 people across and 20 from top to bottom in the square. This means, per square, there are 500 people. There are people in 36 squares. The rest of the area has water or greenery in which there is no crowd. 500 people per square. In 36 squares. That brings the number to 18,000.

Yes. 18,000.

If you think I am too miserly and nit picking, then double it up if you like.

And you will have 36,000.

That is if you take all the squares to be as dense as the densest one, although they are not. And then if you double the number, although you don’t have to.

That is the best number that you can give to the Telangana March.

My friend Jayaprakash looked at it from another angle too. He is very meticulous.

He looked at the lift that we very routinely use.

I guess even those bloggers who don’t sit in air conditioned rooms also use lifts. Some people call them elevators.

A 4 feet by 4 feet lift car can pack four people. That means it takes 16 square feet to hold 4 people. That means, in 100 square feet 25 people can fit in. Let us assume that these people are unusually inspired, and are packed as tightly as sardines. Then we can add another 5 people and make it 30 people per 100 square feet.

An acre is 45,560 square feet. According to our calculation an acre thus can take 13,080 inspired people. If they are not sufficiently inspired, then even less. But at this point of time, we are talking about only highly inspired people. So it is 13,080.

Let us now see the physical dimensions of the Necklace Road area occupied by the marchers on 30 September, 2012. It is 1300 feet long and 100 feet wide. It’s width is actually not uniformly 100 feet throughout the entire length of 1300 feet. But still, let us take it that it is uniformly wide by 100 feet.

The marchers on the necklace road thus occupied a space of 1,30,000 square feet. But that area includes road dividers and all that. However, let us for a moment assume that the people gathered there used every inch of the area available.

At the rate of 25 persons per one hundred square feet, the gathering could not have been more than 32,500. And if 30 persons squeezed into the same space, then we arrive at a figure of not more than 39,000.

In my last post I said that their best effort was unimpressive. Sorry, I was wrong.

It is, in fact, pathetic.

Now it is even clearer why the lions that roared about braving bombs and Tahrir-Square-like sit-in had to quietly leave the place.

With tails between their hind legs.

122 Responses to “Sorry. I Got It Wrong About Telangana March”

  1. October 3, 2012 at 6:48 pm #

    Interesting Analysis, Prabhakar Garu.

    • October 6, 2012 at 12:11 am #

      Now the telangana mvt is not in political leader’s hand,,,its safely in the hands of an educationist, a professor who give intelluctual lead to society

      Did lagadapati or prabhakar went telangana village and spoke to common people,,,u first dare to do that first, telangana politians have seen that common man’s anger and joined the mvt.

      If u dare convince central government for referendum in telangana for telangana whether we want to be with andhra,

      u cant force one sided love or relationship,,,its like obsessed lover throwing an acid on lover for not loving him

      Hyderabad is developed(mostly damaged) i agree but if telangana formed its our responsibilty to pay back the interests to banks for this what all development we have seen in hyderabad is only in last 10 years, all 3 regions got has enjoyed it getting jobs and improving business etc…

      similarly if separate state formed center will give separate packages to develop costa andhra state capital,,,new govt jobs will b created, special SEZ , NEW mnc’s setup thier offices in new capital because they have a talent pool for cheaper cost(cheaper because the new capital is still developing) new infrastructure will be created in new state capitial

      hyderabad is exhausted with population, if another separate capital is formed people in costa andhra will be benefited

      1)According to you Police estimates are wrong(who says more than 2 lakh people have participated in march) ok fine
      2)Why all politians in telangana support the telangana movement(naturally they shd support either CM or high command)
      3)why trs won 90% seats in the by elections in telangana
      4)why politians are bent by JAC’s decision(kodandaram is not politian)
      5)why all universities(most educated people incl PHD schlors) student support telangana
      6)all caste federations,employees union, physically handicapped, teachers, doctors,engineers, cable operators etc supporting mvt

      • October 6, 2012 at 5:47 pm #

        >> i agree but if telangana formed its our responsibilty to pay back the interests to banks for this what all development we have seen in hyderabad

        Madhavi, I support you in this aspect.. I dont wish telangana (if formed) has to bear the debt of hyderabad. How about making it union territory and reduce the massive debt of hyderabad on telangana state? (if formed)

        • October 7, 2012 at 5:52 am #

          debt paying and other things are secondary,our economists will decide on that ,,,we want self rule

          by the people of telangana
          of the people of telangana
          for the people of telangana

          please quit telangana

          • October 8, 2012 at 4:11 pm #

            Who rules the Telangana state
            ” KCR/Kodandaram/swamy Goud or U ? “

      • October 7, 2012 at 5:15 pm #

        Safe in the hand of educationist, a professor, shri Kodanda ram? Oh my god. Your professor sahab never teaches madam, During SJS, while all other employees and petty traders and daily rated workers lost their income, your professor sahab happily drew his salary from exchequer. He sent his son to US, and asking other poor students to agitate and lose their academics. He preaches how to conduct, bundhs, hartals and rasta rokos. He is an out and out naxal in civilian garb. what did he say to sridhar babu, while reminding the tragic death of late father of minister, he warned the minister of meeting the similar fate if he does not mend his ways. So he is instigating naxals to eliminate sridhar babu, and this gentleman is your leader of the movement. God save your movement.
        In Hindi there is a saying Haathi ka daanth khane ka alag aur dikhane ka alag. There are scores and scores of integrationists in T, but for public consumption they back separatism, for example, yerraballi, motkupalli, talasani and scores of TDP leaders and workers want unified AP and they want CBN to be the CM of unified state. Similarly konda surekha, gettu, mahinder reddy and scores of leaders and workers of YSRC want unified state and Jagan as CM, for public consumption they say jai T. in every village galli mohalla you have hundreds of supporters of unified state in T, but in public they say jai T. parakala bi election is the best example. There is no scope for referandum in Indian constitution, If at all you need one you have to do it in J &K, for which govt of India never agree.
        Many people in T say, that in the event of formation of new state in SA, new capital will bring scores of jobs and development. But I have stayed in Chattisgarh for 10 years. Both MP and chattisgarh struggled hard for a decade before settling down. The new capital near raipur is still on papers. Planing commission is releasing paltry 10 crores a year for new state. hence 1 lakh crore package for new capital is humbug and eyewash.
        I agree many people in T such as students, educated people and farmers support separate state movement, as they are the victims of false propaganda of lakhs and lakhs of jobs for youth and uninterrupted power and water grids for riots, which in reality is absolute rubbish. New state will neither create jobs nor water grids.

        For example let us say T is formed with Hyd as capital. What will happen in secretariat, Only 4 jobs are required against present 10 jobs to cater to the new state which is much smaller in size. So you have to repatriate 6 present employees to SA even to have parity, which is not possible as SA employees settled in Hyd for decades shall opt for T state. hence you will end up with surplus staff leave about lakh of jobs. Similarly small state with truncated budget cannot raise funds for large capital intensive irrigation projects. It is in the interest of T people to live in unfied state. Politicians knew all these facts, but for votes they deliberately spread false hood and you people fall prey to their propaganda that is the irony

        • January 25, 2013 at 4:50 pm #

          Hi
          I totally agree with your comments and opinion. I strongly feel that had Dr. parakala prabhaker relased his book much earlier at least in 2010 refuting telangana agitation. It would have served the purpose. b’cos since this book released there was no one from SA side to really counter T leaders arguments, and allegations. I belong to telangana region but i have always been a supporter of vishalandhra. Please try to circulate your book to entire state of AP, particularly in T region as people till now believing that whatever T separetists been preaching is right.

  2. October 3, 2012 at 6:57 pm #

    Sir, that was a super calculation. Leaving off the issue at hand, the calculation has opened so many vistas to me. If all the people present there are able to influence 5 persons then it is 180000. Sounds frugal, I will double it. Each person influences 10 persons. then it is 3, 60,000. Assuming that all the 3,60,000 has families back in their area. i. e X 4. so it is 14 lakhs. assuming that if all these 14 lakhs in turn can influence another TEN persons each…it is still 1.40 crores…i.e 30 % of the whole T population…It will be crazy if I go beyond this ..” influencing” story….!! I will leave it here…

    • October 4, 2012 at 6:51 pm #

      Vijay, with the same calculations (10X4X10= 400), it would appear Parakala’s MCPI candidate in the Parakala bye-elections should have a grand crowd of two persons in his election meeting (he received < 800 votes) 🙂

      • October 6, 2012 at 8:36 pm #

        Mr. Jai Gottimukkala’s Otis Calculations:

        You need not go to lift company’s advertisement to calculate the persons per square feet.

        Please just think about 250 persons standing in a flat of 1000 square feet!

        Instead of criticising, please tell the alternate way to calculate.

        Mr Krishna’s response is like Rajani Kanth’s dialogue that ” if he utter’s a word, it is to be treated as a word uttered 100 times”
        JAI SREE RAM

        • October 7, 2012 at 11:01 am #

          @YTR: I referred to the technical specifications, not ads.

          I am under no obligation to educate Parakala, Adusumilli & their ilk on crowd estimation techniques. I am only responding because their “methods” are so unimpressive (oops, pathetic).

          • October 8, 2012 at 12:00 am #

            Jai go, the grid method of counting mass mobs is there way back from 1960s used 1st time by Herbert Jacobs and since then a standard practice across the world.

            May be the late pundit jayasankar’s methods (who is known to his measurement skills in measuring T employees, funds and dam size and water levels esp.jurala) is not reached the outer world on how to improvize the crowd estimates.

          • October 8, 2012 at 7:47 pm #

            Satya, the Jacobs method is not per se wrong. How Parakala applied it is unimpressive (or pathetic if you prefer).

            A much better method is aerial survey by strips with each lap overlapping the other. This geo-referenced & time stamped data can be edge matched and analyzed.

          • October 9, 2012 at 12:57 am #

            Though I cannot speak on behalf of prabhakar garu, I assume he took the best possible view (picture) possible as (I guess) they did not use any photographs taken from a balloons or helicopters. If you have any alternate count in your mind please put forward and then one can discuss it objectively instead of simply ridiculing him.

            Actually, in the articles I read, they have given only a 10% error correction for their estimate. But here prabhakar garu chosen to double the number and the picture appears to be taken from a sufficiently good elevation unlike the tulips aerial pic brought by viswaroop.

          • October 10, 2012 at 5:24 pm #

            You are taking so much of pain and denying the fact about the number of people gathered at the venue. But when you are asked to give your estimate or alternate method of calculation, you are saying that it is not your business. When you want to refute a statement, you can do so, but you have to give reasons for such rebuttal and prove your version. You can not simply absolve yourself from your statement

    • October 5, 2012 at 7:10 am #

      LOL! Spot on buddy! This guy is crazy! I hope his secondary school teachers don’t see this, for their own good! 🙂

    • October 5, 2012 at 9:04 am #

      ప్రభాకర్ గారు ,

      మీరు చెప్పింది నిజమే. 4 /10 /2012 రాత్రి TV9 లో శ్రీనివాస్ గౌడ్, లగడపాటి తో నెక్లెస్ రోడ్ లో ౩౦,౦౦౦ లే ఉన్నప్పటికీ హైదరాబాద్ చుట్టుపక్కల ఇంకా చాల ప్రజలు ఉన్నారని చెప్పారు. అంటే నెక్లెస్ రోడ్ లో ఉన్నది కేవలం ౩౦,౦౦౦ మాత్రమే

  3. October 3, 2012 at 7:39 pm #

    Dear Prabhakar garu, Meticulously calculated. A method that doesn’t occur to us often. I haven’t gone to the Necklace Road that day. A couple of layman’s doubts:
    1. Was the area in the photo the only area where people occupied or did the gathering spread beyond the photo-area?
    2. The length of Necklace Road occupied by the marchers calculated as 1300 feet appears too small. that is less than one kilometre. I think that was more than a km.

    Don’t you think more people would have gathered had there been not so many arrests and restrictions on the entry points to Necklace Road? My queries/doubts have nothing to do with one’s position on T-state.

    • October 4, 2012 at 6:47 pm #

      Mr. Ramachandaiah:

      The distance is around 1.1 km or 3,500 feet. The width varies between 150-300 feet say averaging 220 feet. At 4 people, 770,000 sq. feet will yield 190,000 people.

      As far the photos are concerned they don’t add up. The ratio of the left-right centerline to the top-bottom is around 8. If the width is 100 as claimed by the famous doc, the length shown is 800, less than the 1,100 he himself claims. You will note the stage is missing, an admission that the photo is a section and not the “full picture”.

      I published my first hand account at my own blog. Please do read it and post a comment if you feel like doing so.

  4. October 3, 2012 at 7:53 pm #

    What!!! How dare you speak facts regarding Telangana movement? How dare you use logic to arrive at those facts ? I condemn your seemandhra oligarchical crony capitalistic intentions here. You dont know about telangana…you cant even convince your wife..your thrown out of PRP ..you just need to run away …blah blah blah

    • October 4, 2012 at 11:02 pm #

      సాయంత్రం 7 గంటలకు, బాంబులు వేసినా తెలంగాణా వచ్చేవరకు కదిలేది లేదన్న కోదండరాం రాత్రి 11 గంటలకు ఎందుకు ముగించాడు ? సామాన్య ప్రజల్ని ముడి సరుకుగా వాడుకుని కెసిఆర్, కోదండరాం, స్వామిగౌడ్, శ్రీనివాస్ గౌడ్ కోట్లు సంపాదిస్తున్నారు. సోదరులారా ఇకనైనా మేల్కోండి. మన ప్రాంత వెనకబాటు తనంపై, రాజకీయ నాయకుల అవినీతిపై పోరాడండి. “కలసి ఉంటె కలదు సుఖం”

      • October 4, 2012 at 11:53 pm #

        ಸುಖ ಯಾರಿಗೆ? ನಿಮ್ಮಗೆ ಸುಖ ನಮ್ಮಗೆ ದುಖ! ನಿಮ್ಮ ತೆಲುಗು ತಾಯಿ ನಮ್ಮಗೆ ಬೇಡ. ನಮ್ಮ ತೆಲಂಗಾಣಕ್ಕೆ ನೀವು ನಿಮ್ಮ ಆಂಧ್ರವರು ಬೇಡ.

      • October 5, 2012 at 7:43 am #

        Hi Sreenivas Reddy…

        me badha ento ardham kaledu…janalu vasthenemo ammo vidwamsam avuthundi antaru…rakuntenemo evvaru raledantaru…..Kodandaram sir 11 ki close cheyyakunda continue chesi vunte neeku nekkar tadichi poyedi.. memu inka Andhra people tho makku em problem ledu ,vallu kuda anna tammullanti vallu antunte meeku baaga nakaralu avuthunnai..neeku lagadapati ,kavuri chese avineethi kanipicnhadam leda…meeru ma job lallo vachi hyd lo thista vesi ,inti pakkala vunna telangaana valla daggara chittila peru meeda dabbulu teesukoni paripoye meeru neethulu chepithe nerchukone stage lo lemu…meeku antha badha vunte first mana syllabus lo vunna achu tappulu gurinchi sari cheyyamani fight cheyyi…nenu chala siggu paduthunna potti sriramulu andhra pradesh rasthram kosam chachindu ani chaduvukunnanduku…Parakala garu PRP lo ticketlu ammukunte pattu badi party nundi genti vesaru..me lanti vallu kuda neethulu chepithe ela…so called samaikyandhra chakravarthy ni kalisi meeru samaikyandhra antunnaru kada open debate ki vastara ani adigithe call cheyyamani no ichadu.. call chesthe adusumalli jayaprakash gariki velthundi..ante parakala garu,adusumalli and chakravarthy all are part of setup….meeru valla matalu nammi mosapothunnaru kani memu antha aware gane vunnamu…janalu meeru anukunnantha mandi rakapothe meeku manchide kada mari badhenduku…

        “Parakala gariki oka tikka vundi ,aa tikkako thondi lekka vundi…”

  5. October 3, 2012 at 10:51 pm #

    @parakala

    On the day when Telangana March was happening I tweeted, “where are parakala and his VMS gang hiding now?” Somebody replied to me, “keep watching, tomorrow he will come and give some weirdest logic and try to show that march is a failure”. You didn’t disappoint me with your best efforts. What a foolish analysis from adusumilli and you!!

    1) A photo taken from aerial view from the rooftop of a building, if it is divided into squares, all squares will never be of equal area. The area closer the the photographer appears bigger, the area farthest from the photographer looks smaller, which means the farthest square will in reality be a much bigger area than the closest one. One neednot be an enginner to understand this, even dumb fellows like adusumilli can understand the logic if they apply little logic. Apparantly the square that you picked is the closest location of all.

    2) The length of necklace road is not 1300ft, it is total 4.5 km or 14, 760 ft. More than half of it was completely used.

    3) There are large areas of land on both sides of road in its entire length, with much bigger area surrounding jalavihar.

    4) In a meeting people keep going back and new people coming in every time, a photo will only give an approximation, in reality actual figures will be 3 times the one seen.

    5) Photo shown has not caught the whole area, people are cut out of photo on both sides of the road.

    The problem with samaikyavadis is person who have no idea about statistics would pickup statistics out of context such as GDPs and claim that they proved Telanagana is actually more developed. Persons who do not have any engineering knowledge, scientific methods try to analyze people’s turnout with their pathetic logic.

    When a 4.5 km length road with huge chunks of open lands on bothsides has completely filled even though many people were stopped within the city, all public transportation was stopped, private vehicle owners were threatened to not to be used and several people were arrested and stopped on the way, if they all would have reached the venue imagine how much turnout it would be?

    By the way why are you taking so much pains in proving that figures are less? Was there ever been any samaikyandhra meeting happened any time in Telangana? If your claim that more people in Telangana are actually against division why are you not able to conduct any meeting? What happened to your support? Was there more than ten attendants in any of your meetings?

    The efforts from you to prove taht turnout is less clearly shows how shocked you are by the March. Are you losing sleep as there will not be any political platform for your career growth in the future? The same day there were some samaikyandhra meetings in Elur, Guntur and other places. There were only speakers and no audience at all in those meetings.

  6. October 3, 2012 at 11:24 pm #

    Dear Mr Prabhakar,

    Go Fuck yourself..

    • October 4, 2012 at 11:00 pm #

      సాయంత్రం 7 గంటలకు, బాంబులు వేసినా తెలంగాణా వచ్చేవరకు కదిలేది లేదన్న కోదండరాం 11 రాత్రి ఎందుకు ముగించాడు ? సామాన్య ప్రజల్ని ముడి సరుకుగా వాడుకుని కెసిఆర్, కోదండరాం, స్వామిగౌడ్, శ్రీనివాస్ గౌడ్ కోట్లు సంపాదిస్తున్నారు. సోదరులారా ఇకనైనా మేల్కోండి. మన ప్రాంత వెనకబాటు తనంపై, రాజకీయ నాయకుల అవినీతిపై పోరాడండి. “కలసి ఉంటె కలదు సుఖం”

  7. October 3, 2012 at 11:51 pm #

    Prabhakar garu, you have mis calculated the numbers:

    1. People are coming and going from 3pm on wards up to 12 pm. If you calculate people have been changed even 4 times: 4 x 30000 = 120000.
    2. All people have not reached the spot due to hurdles created by Police. Half of the people have been there in various streets, hotels and cinema Halls. Roughly 1 lakh people.
    3. People have not been allowed to enter from Hyderabad from 13 Districts. Half of the people are there on the streets of Districts. Take it as 13 x 30000 = Nearly 4 lakhs.
    4. Many people have not planned to reach Hyderabad considering the Police Atrocities. Nearly 10 Lakh people have been there in the Sagar area mentally though not physically.

    As such the March was successful with 10+4+1+. 1.2 lakhs: 16 Lakhs above.

    Do not ask what about the rest of the telangana people? They are not bothered about the march. Because they have the faith in KCR that he can bring Telangana from Sonia by hook or crook.

    • October 5, 2012 at 9:35 am #

      Where did the 13 districts come from?
      I thought Telangana had only 10 districts? Did you add up the three districts from Rayalaseema as well (or gobbled up some from K’taka or Maharastra)

  8. October 4, 2012 at 12:10 am #

    Leave the useless logic and take it as inspiration.Numbers doesn’t matter… If you are really committed to the cause fight with ur high command and get things done.. writing useless logics doesn’;t help..

    Atleast check ur own constituency and improve its facilities before commenting on big issue.

  9. October 4, 2012 at 12:13 am #

    Nice analysis. This technique was invented by famous Telugu DBer Onlytruth in 2008 itself. He experimented on it extensively during 2009 general elections. It is called Crowdcasa.

  10. October 4, 2012 at 12:17 am #

    The analysis would be correct if all the points are equidistant from the camera. In other words, the camera need to face the surface in a parallel position. However, if you base the analysis on area of the surface in question and take the densest estimate possible, the numbers could be more accurate. But I doubt any amount of scientific evidence would make sense for the separatists.

  11. October 4, 2012 at 12:43 am #

    ఇంతకీ ఈ విషయం కచంరా గారికి తెలిస్తే గుండాకి చస్తారు. మిమ్మల్ని పచ్చి బూతులు తిడతారు. పారిపోండి దాక్కోండి!

  12. October 4, 2012 at 12:50 am #

    For my wedding, the dining hall was full twice and the total head count of attendees ended up being 2 thousand. If a small hall full of people is 2 thousand /2 i.e. 1 thousand, what would be a kilometer full of people ? Respected author must get his analysis was correct 🙂

    • October 5, 2012 at 7:24 pm #

      Two thousand people attended your dinner party? Whom are you trying to fool?

    • October 6, 2012 at 5:57 pm #

      @Sripal, may be there is no dinner arranged.. that is why the crowd is less :). Better they should conduct more vanta varpu than march and septembers.

  13. October 4, 2012 at 12:54 am #

    Guys, Everyone knows What KCR wants and what people are facing, We are making our lives miserable by fighting on an issue which doesn’t benefit anyone.

    Once state is divided it will take 100 years to develop provided it has efficient leaders and funds.

    We need someone like YSR who can stand on word and make farmers happy, all the people like KCR are money makers they are playing with sentiment and students lives.
    A day comes when people starts throwing mud at KCRnr

    • October 6, 2012 at 5:59 pm #

      someone like YSR? for what? to loot whatever left in people. better u confine to the subject of T

    • October 8, 2012 at 12:50 am #

      Nayana YSR oka laksha kotle loot chindu. Inka chala ledha. Ee gajadonga thoti KCR ki emi polika ra. Telangana state vachinaka Charitra lo migili poye nayakadu KCR. YSR chavagane vanni Congressole marachi poyindru.

  14. October 4, 2012 at 1:44 am #

    Just on the face of it I see 45 squares… So you mean to tell us that all the media houses were not smart as your friend ” Adusumilli Jayaprakash” .. Maybe true.. Thats the best you can be.. Just the language and the sarcasm used shows the kind of feelings you have towards Telangana.. After Such a reputation you have(PRP etc) Who do you think will even trust you with such absurd theories

    • October 5, 2012 at 12:07 pm #

      The Very reason pro-telanganites r responding to this like u shows.. who trusts him. And everybody has their own reasoning and logic. I pity u losers. U cannot see atleast this small logic. I wanted those STUNT-maniacs to stay till atleast next day. OMG! U thnk these r the leaders that make some difference in ur lives. This very fact of poor thinking ability shows that once it gets separated it’ll be utter chaos. GFY!

  15. October 4, 2012 at 1:46 am #

    Excellent article. I came to know that the JAC leaders who happen to be fans of 2pac used holographics figures to seemingly increase their numbers. Otherwise there were only about 1000 protestors out there.
    Please use your rigorous analysis and tell the police how many of their own men were deployed during the march. They seem to think there were 20000 police deployed to stop this small gathering and shamefully failed at it.
    I dont see any in the picture so must be 0 police which should explain their failure.
    Just look at that picture you posted and estimate the distance from one end to another.
    This is a textbook case for wishful analysis. And pathetic it is.

  16. October 4, 2012 at 1:52 am #

    stupid calculation by prabhakar or jaya prakash adusumilli…not technically right. the photo is clicked from distance. the surface area of necklace road is not equal to area of this perspective view(angle). even now, if u want the capacity of necklace road, i can give. don’t make ppl fools. of course i can’t calculate ppl who r present out side necklace road.
    please note many can calculate the capacity of people in necklace road through Google earth. vamsi adusumilli

  17. October 4, 2012 at 9:03 am #

    Dude…. go get some therapy… The most stupid calculation I have ever seen. Don’t know how you missed out the other areas where people were there. And also have you considered the time factor. People don’t just stand in one place for the entire time… Your stupid calculation, shows your greedy intent of running down the movement. Thank God, people like you were not there during our freedom struggle, else you would have asked that the Britishers want to rule us, and hence cannot give us freedom. Next time, if you want to prove the itching regarding proving the numbers wrong, go and stand at the next meeting, taking roll calls from people….. Hope you come back safe…. Take care, and seriously, chill and go get some therapy….

  18. October 4, 2012 at 9:48 am #

    To be politically incorrect requires guts. To be politically incorrect with regard to Telangana requires more guts. Mainstream media and big business barons gave up being factual about Telangana. For them there is no percentage in earning the wrath of the protagonists of Telangana. Jaya Prakash Narayan of the Lok Satta who was at one time neutral in his orientation towards the issue too threw in the towel.

    You must be complimented to be bold enough to call a spade a spade in the face of all this. Your analysis is spot. Many of us would not have bothered to think things through the way you have done to arrive at the truth. Thanks a ton!

  19. October 4, 2012 at 9:50 am #

    To be politically incorrect requires guts. To be politically incorrect with regard to Telangana requires more guts. Mainstream media and big business barons gave up being factual about Telangana. For them there is no percentage in earning the wrath of the protagonists of Telangana. Jaya Prakash Narayan of the Lok Satta who was at one time neutral in his orientation towards the issue too threw in the towel.

    You must be complimented to be bold enough to call a spade a spade in the face of all this. Your analysis is spot on. Many of us would not have bothered to think things through the way you have done to arrive at the truth. Thanks a ton!

  20. October 4, 2012 at 10:20 am #

    Perhaps you could have used 100 sq. feet per person, the usual cubicle calculation so familiar to your real estate folks?

    BTW what is the size of your Kurnool venue?

    • October 6, 2012 at 2:13 pm #

      Telangana is a huge emotional issue sans any logic or analytical base. Overwhelmingly people have voted for the separatist parties like TRS in the recent elections. Whether these emotions are permanent or peter off in the course of time, only time will tell. I dont want to go into arthematic, according to my own information, it is not 30000, definitely a lakh or even more have turned up. One thing people should know is mere emotions does not produce results, as emotions peter off with the course of time. Take the case of kalistan movment, which was also built on huge emotions, but petered off as it does not have validity or sanction of the majority indians, same is the case with Babri masjid and Ramajanma bhomi episode. In order to achieve results, you need consensus. Best example is chandigarh, Mrs. Gandhi awarded chadigarh to punjab in the year 1983, itself, and Rajiv gandhi endorsed it in Rajiv longowal pact in 1985. However chandigarh is still union territory and joint capital of punjab and Haryana, as there was no consensus on transferring small village called Kandu khera in Abhor and fazilka sector of punjab. This aspect is repeated many times by Chidambaram and Manmohan singh. But still our T separatist brothers does not accept it and blindly cling to their separatism. Meanwhile Lagadapati came with other important revelation, stating that KCR was agreeable for making Hyd as UT and combined capital of both SA and T. If indeed KCR makes such a suggestion, it is an excellent solution, agreable to all. I dont why lagadapati spoiled the possible solution by spilling the bean prematurely. Ladapati and KCR are the two sides of the same coin, they derive pleasure by hurting the feelings of the other side.

      • October 8, 2012 at 12:57 am #

        So Mr. Kaylan Ram garu, So when Andhra separated from erstwhile Madras state, what do you call that emotion or justice. Ore, seemandhra rich burgers, why you are so emotional about Telugus being one state. Why you are so attached to us. Why cannot leave us alone. Cannot you live on your own. How long do you want to live like parasites. Go and get life and leave us alone, if you have any self respect.

        Telugulo antaru mohamu meedha ummesina siggu lekunda mammalni vadalara. Ekkadi athmabhinamu leni jathi ra meedhi.

        • October 8, 2012 at 2:42 pm #

          Rajesh Mahaseya, you are repeating the same old cock and bull stories taught to you in the tutorials of Kodanda and jayasankar, which has no veracity or logical basis.
          1st of all How Madras province came into existance do you know? 1st of all you are calling it Madras state, that is your ignorance, Madras state was never existed, it was Madras province under British India. It was not at all a state, it was a tax collection center of erstwhile British imperialists. It was not created under article 3 of Indian constitution my dear friend. Please be careful while posting some non sense. When India became free there were 650 small and large pricipalities and 11 provinces. There was a need to reorganize them on logical basis. Language was choosen by govt of India as the basis for reorganization of the states. Accordingly states reorganization act was passed in the year 1956 paving way for formation of linguistic states. Accordingly not only AP, karnataka, Maharastra, Gujarath and several other states were formed on linguistic basis. Hence andhras separation from Madras province and silly demand of T has no comparision or basis my dear friend. You are calling us rich buggers, which are the richer districts in AP? do you know entire rayalaseema and uttarandhra are for more backward and poorer than T? Know the facts before talking non sense. We can never leave you alone my dear friend, as we have born and brought up in Hyderabad, every inch of Hyderabad belongs to us.
          We have as much right on capital city as any one else.
          You know the income of Hyderabad on IT, Rs.50,000 crores per annum. This is the combined wealth of 10 crore telgus. In the name of sentiment, you want to snatch away the wealth with out doing any hard work? who is parasite? you or me? You have no right to ask any one to leave any place, you are free to leave Hyd and live any where in the world if you cannot tolerate others.
          ఎవరి మీద పెదితె వరి మీద ఎక్కడ పెదితే అక్కద ఉమ్మెయడం అనగరికం, అల చెయ్యదం అపరిసుబ్రమీ కదు చెట్ట రీత్య నీరం కుద. KCR లంటి తగుబొతులు చెసీ పని కాని చెట్టాన్ని గౌరవించె వరు అలంతి పనులు చీయ్యరు. ఫొస్తింగ్ లు డిగ్నిఫిఎద్ గ ఉందలి కాని, వదరు బోతు తనం పనికిరదు

    • October 6, 2012 at 8:33 pm #

      Mr. Jai Gottimukkala’s Otis Calculations:

      You need not go to lift company’s advertisement to calculate the persons per square feet.

      Please just think about 250 persons standing in a flat of 1000 square feet!

      Instead of criticising, please tell the alternate way to calculate.

      Mr Krishna’s response is like Rajani Kanth’s dialogue that ” if he utter’s a word, it is to be treated as a word uttered 100 times”

  21. October 4, 2012 at 10:22 am #

    This article proves dat this guy is xpriencin uncntrolble anxity r xhibitin manic r bizare figures r xtrmeconfusion. These are the examples of actions or problems that indicate emergency psychiatric help is appropriate. Squares of equal size are superimposed on it to make calculation easy it seems. Heights of insanity. Roflmao. Show some sympathy for the ‘MANTALLY THE SICK PARKALA’

    • October 5, 2012 at 12:14 am #

      Parakala’s sickness has reached the height of insanity after his sponsored candidate received less than 800 votes in a recent bye-election (incidentally in a constituency called Parakala)

      अब इसका इलाज आगरे में ही हो सकता है!

  22. October 4, 2012 at 10:34 am #

    Dear Sri, Prabhakar ji,
    Thanks for your wonderful estimate of the crowd gathered at Necklace Road on 30.09.Apart from the crowd caught in the camera there are others moving and outside the camera vieu angle, and also at other places on the top of the houses and other areas near lake side. further the PHoto includes Police force also. Thus in all fairness the highest limit for the congregation throughout the day and night(some might have come and gone) should be placed at a Max of 50000.All said and done it is a good impromptu gathering.(though the word impromptu used not in the correct sense)
    There are others who are detained at several spots. all together and giving a fair higher hyperbolic figure of estimate all in all it may not exceed one lakh over all. Regards (sundaram)

  23. October 4, 2012 at 11:47 am #

    Very good analysis Prabhakar garu.
    You can file a patent on “how to find the number of people in a mob”.

    my questions is: what you are going to say from this analysis.?
    do you want to prove that many people are not supporting telangana ?

    what is the head count you need to support telangana ?

  24. October 4, 2012 at 1:38 pm #

    ఎంత హెచ్చుగా కిట్టించి కిట్టించి లెక్కవేసినా కవాతుకొచ్చినవాళ్ళ సంఖ్య 35 వేలకి మించదు. ఆ నిజం చెప్పినందుకు ఇక్కడ తెలంగాణవాదులు ఏడుస్తున్నారంటారా ? ఏడవనివ్వండి. వాళ్ళు అందుకోసమే పుట్టారు.

    • October 4, 2012 at 11:06 pm #

      ఎడ్చేవాళ్ళు ప్రజలుకాదు. నాయకులమని చెప్పుకునే నయవంచకులు

      • October 4, 2012 at 11:24 pm #

        నేననేదీ అదే. తెలంగాణవాదులు వేఱు, సాధారణ తెలంగాణప్రజలు వేఱు అనే !

  25. October 4, 2012 at 4:37 pm #

    parakala garu….

    great analysis, they thought of not leaving the place till the announcement comes from the central govt regarding telangana state initiation, but, these people left the place when the rain started, pitty, how can they get telangana which is so critical aspect of division of state, who cant with stand for a rain in a rainy expected day…the reason for adjourning the march is so silly, these people will never get seperate state in life time…

  26. October 4, 2012 at 4:40 pm #

    What is the point in abuse? The method appears reasonable; may be few adjustments for the camera distance etc. If there is an alternate way, please present the same without abusing the author.

    In any case, can the crowds be not brought? I thought at all political rallies, people are mobilized from nearby villages and towns. The alternate argument that lesser crowds mean lesser support also is doubtful. Can Anna bring in more crowds than Rahul Gandhi or Narendra Modi?

    On the main issue of Telangana : Some doubts from a distant Teluguite:

    (a) Who are the main beneficiaries of a new state —My bet is the politicians. If the exploitation of the masses by the rulers and the powerful ones has not changed in centuries, does one seriously think that a new state with new set of rulers change the equation?
    (b) Till a wave of development, education and all-round progress reduce the corruption levels across the border, mere change in the design of state is largely superfluous and creates more vested interests
    (c) Suppose the design is important and smaller states are better… Then it is a national policy issue. For whatever worth, we adopted language based organisation of states. Let the national policy come out with a different way
    (d) Do people know that telangana means teluguland? First feel sorry for the horrible telugu spoken in Hyderabad which is not even a pretence. I wish Telangana had a leader like Raj Thackeray to stand up for Telugu language
    (e) If GDP etc statistics are not important, how does one know that Telangana is not developed. If I say that Telangana region was not developed because of Telangana politicians, would I be terribly wrong? If it is because of explotation by Coastal people can someone explain how? Is any data available anywhere to support this exploitation. What was the resource that was exploited and how ?
    Or is expolitation an assumption of how many government jobs which region got? May be we need to add more layers to our already complex reservation system. Please bear in mind that no country or region has developed thru govt jobs (including China or Russia). In fact the more the dependency on this, the worse it will be for the state
    (f) Coastal region’s natural riches, have helped Hyd thru businesses, investments, jobs, taxes etc. Or is this the issue? The agitation is really for Hyderabad? What happens then, if it is retained as capital for both, isn’t a major “benefit” lost to separatists? In fact, how much of business (particularly IT) would be diverting to Pune, Nagpur etc becos of this agitation?
    (g)What happens to Rayalaseema? Isn’t it the poorest of the cousins? Coasta must have exploited them also?
    (h) Why not hold a referendum under Centre’s supervision (to ensure fair play) to settle all these issues

  27. October 4, 2012 at 5:14 pm #

    Prabhakar:

    Is it possible to analyse
    (a) History of Telangana vs Coastal Andhra election results (based on the winners’ affiliation towards separatism or unification both at party level based on manifesto and individual level). If the MPs/MLAs have changed their position, or gone against the party view, presumably there will be some reason. If convincing reason is given, okay. Else, we conclude the obvious
    (b) Change in the income and wealth position of various MPs/MLAs region-wise over a period of time
    (c) Budget allocations for various regions & actual expenditures over a period of time
    (d) On Capital expenditures, status of the projects region-wise(success or otherwise; e.g, after spending x crores on an irrigation project how many acres were added in cultivation and whether agricultural produce has gone up in that area or not). May be you can get data thru RTI
    (e) District-wise census data on parameters such as education, per capita income/expenditure/saving etc
    (f) Background and opinion of leading business men in AP. I feel that the business view is important since they look at what is profitable and value added. Particularly in services, because the base can be shifted easily

    Just thinking aloud with the objective of reducing the personalised noise and the hyperbole from an argument

  28. October 4, 2012 at 7:58 pm #

    The innocent Telangana agitators are in the feeling that the swelling is the strength. Let them. The actual number may not exceed 40,000, which is correct. Most of the supporters of bifurcation of the state, do not know the density could be calculated depending on the longitude and ltitudes of the earth. The photos are the proof of the statement. Rest is to be left to the wiseness of Telangana supporters.

  29. October 4, 2012 at 8:00 pm #

    Dear Prabhakar, Unfotunately I saw your tweet on Telangana ‘march’ only today. Your analyses on crowd estimation is a standard practice in West.While watching the Live Telecast I was wishing that somebody could do similar analyses. Thanks for granting the wish.The only mistake you made is in the density estimation. I noticed during the closeup shots of the crowd , they were sitting atleast two ft. away from each other due to uneven surface and rockey terrain. I am afraid your estimate is on the higher side. Pl. forget the ravings and rantings of few robots.We have seen how the buffoloes stampede in African jungles for no reason. This is how our crowds behave here.

  30. October 4, 2012 at 8:03 pm #

    Excellent analysis .. Ignore the barking dogs.

  31. October 4, 2012 at 8:18 pm #

    Dear Prabhakar Garu, Unfotunately I saw your tweet on Telengana “march only today. Your analyses of the crowd estimation is a standard practice in West and there is nothing unusual about it. While watching the Live Telecast, I was wishing that somebody should do that. Thanks for granting that wish.The only mistake you made is in the density estimation. During the close up shots of the gathering, I noticed that at many places people were sitting atleast two ft.distance from each other as the ground was uneven and rocky and not like sardines. I am afraid your estimation was on the higher side.This is purely a scientific observation. Pl. forget about the rantings and ravings of few robots. We have seen how the Buffoloes stampede in African jungles for no reason. Our crowds are exactly like that here. Regards.

  32. October 4, 2012 at 9:08 pm #

    The most generous estimate of the turnout at Telangana March is equal to or less than 1 lakh. It is ridiculous to count people who have not come there due to any reasons. That way every meeting will have absentees for some reason or another. It is not disputed that the organizers themselves were not happy at the turnout and they wanted to wriggle out of their failure by blaming the govt and the police, etc. What Home Minister herself stated was that a route map was given with three routes made totally open to people coming for the March but it was regrettable that the activists insisted on other routes also and tried to take out rallies there and were not permitted and that led to scuffles and lathi charge, etc.
    It seems it has become a routine for almost every party or every organization calling for Marches, rallies or bandhs to have some or more violence done so that they could ‘exert pressure’ and win or steal publicity. The mindset is that “nothing is done unless we take to and do violence”. Otherwise the attack and destruction of railway property and machinery (instruments) at Hussain Sagar Junction and damage again done on a smaller scale to Necklace Road Rly. Station and the attacks on private properties on either side of the Necklace Road etc. are inexplicable. Surely none of the attacked persons/property owners did anything to interfere with the March.

    • October 5, 2012 at 12:09 am #

      Comrade Sharma, the neighbors had no problems with the march. Hundreds of people watched the march from the rooftops. All the businesses till Rasoolpura junction stayed up till the end of the march and did roaring business.

      • October 6, 2012 at 6:09 pm #

        Jai, not only that.. The residents of the area also thanked the activists for burning the police and media vehicles and the smoke given them a relief from mosquito and asthma problems..

        • October 7, 2012 at 10:57 am #

          Satya, this must be the guys you spoke to. None of the folks I met said anything about these.

  33. October 4, 2012 at 10:04 pm #

    whatever refinements one can do to Prabhakars methodology it does not the fact that “kavathu” failed. It failed on two major counts – nothing changed at delhi or hyderabad as a result of “kavathu”. And it failed to meet the expectations of organizers themselves – they wanted a sit in- the crowd did not oblige.

  34. October 4, 2012 at 10:56 pm #

    https://twitter.com/fortgn/status/253900378695950336/photo/1/large

    Guess how many flowers in the pick? In densest block of the pick, which is apparently the closest one there are 10 flowers.

    There are flowers fully in 12 blocks while 6 blocks are half full. hence the total number of flowers in the pick is
    10 * 15 = 150.

    Actually I considered the densest block which is bottom right one. Had I picked the bottom left one then it will be 4 * 15 = 60!!

    What a great logic it is? Some body just told me that actually same method is used in Amsterdam to count Tulips there.

    • October 5, 2012 at 12:05 am #

      Viswaroop, जंगली को क्या मालूम ज़फ्रोंका मज़ा?

      బొందలగడ్డలో ఇళ్ళు కట్టే రియల్ ఎస్టేట్ బ్రోకరుగాణికి మీరు చెప్పే పూల కథ అర్ధం కాదు బై. రేపు టీజీ వెంకటేష్ కాడ సలాం కొట్టే ఇసన్తోళ్లు మంచి మాటలు అర్ధం చేసుకుంటరా?

      What else can you expect from unemployed (and unemployable) politicos like Parakala & Gadusupilli?

      • October 5, 2012 at 12:21 pm #

        Dude.. It looks u r the only one who’s replying 4 all the stuff ! So, I want to pose only one thing to u.

        “An argument can be flawed only when u can weaken the assumptions”. So if you want to disprove something try to tell what is wrong in the analysis.

        This is the pathetic situation of citizens today. Talk abt facts, assumptions and whats wrong.

        YS Jagan ni dabbulu tinnaava ante.. vere vaadu tinaleda ani answer. ikkada aayana analysis pedite.. meeru PRP lo adi ayindi idi ayindi.. Ninnu.. vedava ani tidite.. ma oorilo gudi undi.. akada andaroo nannu manchi baludu antaru..

        ilaanti reasons cheppukupoye leaders.. avi vini matlade nee lanti prajalu. Rashtra dourbagyam! Mundu nuvu konchem alochana penchuko.. mee te’langa vadulaki penchu. Tarvata mee rashtranni.. deshanni uddaridduvugani.

    • October 5, 2012 at 12:44 pm #

      My friend “Gadusu pilli” looked at it in different angle too. He is so meticulous.

      If my friend happens to see a flower, either it will be on the hair knot of women or behind the ears of men. Here there are none..which means there are no flowers at all. If we say it is 150 then it is upper side of the estimate.

      This theory is called gadusupilli flower behind the ear theory. Patent is pending.

      • October 5, 2012 at 7:42 pm #

        Not funny, we are not able to laugh.

    • October 6, 2012 at 7:29 pm #

      aerial ki linear ki teda telisthe nuvvu telangana vaadhi vi enduku avutaav.. dont showcase ur mosquito brain here

      • October 6, 2012 at 11:44 pm #

        Hi..hi..hi.. good joke. neeku mosquito brain unnaa bagundu, neeku, lagadapatiki, parakalaku burraninda pende kada unnadi?

        building minchi theesina photo neeku aerial view ayinda? neeburranu meauseumlo pettali. nuvvuguda phd na endi?

        • October 7, 2012 at 11:44 pm #

          neeku kooda mee kachara laaga penda ante baaga ruchi anukuntaa.. tega kalavaristaaru.

          aerial photo ante aakasam ninche tiyyakarledu. “Aerial photography is the taking of photographs of the ground from an elevated position.” – wikipedia

          mee telaban gaadlandariki jayasankar school of lies and myths lo phd istaranta.. po..po.. elli okati techuko

        • October 8, 2012 at 12:42 am #

          needi mosquito burra anatam naa mistake ye.. ameoba size kooda lekapovachu anataaniki proof

          Viswaroop October 3, 2012 at 10:51 pm

          A photo taken from aerial view from the rooftop of a building, if it is divided into squares, all squares will never be of equal area.

          Viswaroop October 6, 2012 at 11:44 pm

          building minchi theesina photo neeku aerial view ayinda?

          chaalaa.. inkaa nee chetta vaadana konasaagistaavaa

          • October 8, 2012 at 4:03 pm #

            It seems you are too intelligent in supporting Parakala’s moronic stuff. What is the height of building here and what is the legth of the road in the picture? What is the ratio between height of the building and length of the road? What is the distance from the photographer to the block that parakala picked and what is the distance to the top most block?

            if you consider that even the flower photo is also aerial because it is from some height. In an absolute linear photo only the front row will be seen and nothing behind. If a person taking a photo from one side of a crowd enclosed in a 1 km length road is aerial view so as a the photo of 1 acre garden taken from 6 feet height.

            రెండు ఫోటోలూ ఒక సైడ్ నుంచి తీసిన ఫోటోలనే నిజం నీకు కనబడితే, అర్ధమయితే నువ్వు సమైక్యవాదివెట్లయితవు? పరకాల శిశ్యుడివెట్లయితవు? నీకు బుర్రలో పేడబదులు మెదడు ఉంటె నువ్వు పరకాల సపోర్టరువెట్లయితవు?

            నీది పేడ బుర్రే అనుకున్న, నువ్వు గుడ్డోడివని కూడా నిరూపించుకున్నవ్. సిగ్గులేకుండ అర్గ్యుమెంట్లు జేస్తుంటవ్. ఎన్నిసార్లు నీ అబద్దాలు బయటబెట్టినా నీకుబుద్ధిరాదు.

          • October 8, 2012 at 4:27 pm #

            pichoda,

            nobody said here that this method cannot be used to calculate the size of the crowd, but if your intention is only to undermine the turnout what else can be expected? If parakala is really impartial and wants to calculate the correct numbers, then let him extrapolate the error that comes due to the angle of photo taken.

            Please note that I had to use abusive words to match your language and style but otherwise I have nothing personal against you. You were proven wrong in countless number of times already, but you would never admit.

          • October 8, 2012 at 6:56 pm #

            అడ్డంగా దొరికిపోయిన తర్వాత నీలోంచి తన్నుకొస్తున్న frustration చూస్తుంటే నవ్వాగట్లేదు. If you have any concerns regarding the height of the building or angle of photography you would have raised in your earlier comments. Instead you chosen ridiculed the method.

            Viswaroop October 4, 2012 at 10:56 pm
            What a great logic it is? Some body just told me that actually same method is used in Amsterdam to count Tulips there

            Viswaroop October 3, 2012 at 10:51 pm
            What a foolish analysis from adusumilli and you

            and you said its a weird logic as expected by your friend

            Now here are the comments from other separatists.

            Rohith Reddy October 5, 2012 at 1:59 am

            Falthu mindless analysis by mindless people…
            Only mindless people talks about this type of analysis..

            Moiz October 5, 2012 at 2:00 pm

            EE parakalu gadu VP ani telusu kaani inta VP ani ippude ardham ayyindi

            Rahul October 5, 2012 at 7:59 pm

            @ Parakala
            Your analysis is awesome same like mentally ill person sitting in mental hospital and analyzing no sense..

            Jai Gottimukkala October 7, 2012 at 11:01 am I am

            only responding because their “methods” are so unimpressive (oops, pathetic)

            Jai Nayar October 4, 2012 at 10:22 am

            Squares of equal size are superimposed on it to make calculation easy it seems. Heights of insanity.

            and you say “nobody said here that this method cannot be used to calculate the size of the crowd”.

            ఏంటి నువ్వు అబద్దాలు బయట పెట్టావా? శాంపిల్ కి అయినా సిగ్గు ఉంటే నువ్వు అలా మాట్లాడవ్. ఎక్కడ చర్చ లో అయిన తప్పించుకు పారిపోతావ్.. ఆ రోజు వాసవ్య బ్లాగులో ఎంప్లాయిస్ లెక్క అడిగినప్పుడు విషయం లేక అఙ్ఞాతలతో చర్చించను అని పారిపోయావు. నీ బ్లాగులో bandwidth లేదు కాబట్టి కామెంట్లు పబ్లిష్ చెయ్యను అని సిగ్గులేకుండా తప్పించుకుంటావు. లేకపోతే కడుపులో విషం పెట్టుకునే వాళ్ళకి స్థానం లేదు అని చవట సాకులు చెప్తావు. అలాంటి నువ్వు వేరే బ్లాగుల మీద పడి నోటికొచ్చింది వ్రాస్తూ ఇంకా ఎదుటి వాళ్ళని hypocrites అని నీ గురువింద బుద్దిని బయటపెట్టుకుంటావ్. ఒక్క చర్చలో నిలవ్వు.. కనీసం నువ్వు వ్రాసిన కామెంటుని నువ్వే చూసుకోకుండా బకరా అయ్యి ఇంకా ఎదుటి వాళ్ళని గుడ్డోళ్ళు అని దేనికి నీ దబాయింపు?

            ఎవ్వడికైనా వెళ్ళి 6 అడుగుల ఎత్తు నించి aerial ఫోటో తీశా అని చెప్పు.. నోటితో నవ్వరు..

  35. October 5, 2012 at 1:59 am #

    Falthu mindless analysis by mindless people…

    1.At the time of indian Independence there was around 60 Crores Population, Every indian wants Indian Independence..then why all 60 Crores People not participated ?

    2.While formation of andhra state why all andhrites not participated with potti sri ramulu.??

    Can you tell me the same analysis in samaykandhra Movement after dec 9th? samaikyandhra march on sep 30th 2012 and chalo hyderabad by andhrites on sep 30th 2012..

    Only mindless people talks about this type of analysis..

  36. October 5, 2012 at 4:02 am #

    We don’t have to look and analyze anything. Lets ask Congress to held local body elections, sarpanch, mandal, ZP, which are pending from last 3 years. If they have guts, Telangana will speak, have spoken many times.

    Telangana asked for simple seperation, people like namesake made it a fight against andhrites.

  37. October 5, 2012 at 6:13 am #

    Hi Parakala garu…

    Neeku oka tikka vundi, aaa tikka koka tondi lekka vundi..

    Nuvvu chadivina school edi chepithe ma pillalu evaru vellakunda chustamu… Ledante ive donga lekkalu.. Donga bathuku vasthadi vallaki…nuvvu aa JP pedda chaduvukunna moorkhulu…

  38. October 5, 2012 at 8:01 am #

    Parakala ganiki oka lekka undhi dhani oka thikka undhi…….

  39. October 5, 2012 at 8:40 am #

    Emi pani paata lekunda unnatu unnavu… dheentla kud aentha mandhi unnaro choosi cheppu Mr. Parakala

    http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/8/2011/02/tahrir1.jpg

  40. October 5, 2012 at 9:30 am #

    వచ్చింది ౩౦,౦౦౦ లా, ౩ లక్షలా ముక్యంకాదు. వచ్చింది ఎవరు ? 1 ) పని వదులుకుని ఒక్క కూలి వచ్చాడా ? 2 ) పొలంపని వదిలి రైతు వచ్చాడా ? 3 ) దుకాణం మూసి వ్యాపారి వచ్చాడా ? వచ్చినవాళ్ళంత, ఉద్యమాన్ని అడ్డుపెట్టుకుని రాజకీయ నాయకులమవుదామని వచ్చిన ఉద్యోగ సంగాల ప్రతినిధులు, నియోజకవర్గాల్లో పనులు చేయలేని పట్టణాల్లో ఉండే పనికి మాలిన రాజకీయ నాయకులు , వాళ్ళ వెంట తిరిగే పైరవికారులు.

    • October 5, 2012 at 7:47 pm #

      Well satd

      • October 7, 2012 at 10:58 am #

        మీ కర్నూలు తమాషా గురించి ఇవే ప్రశ్నలు వేసుకోండి సార్.

  41. October 5, 2012 at 11:23 am #

    This is “the” “telugu” from telugunadu.
    Gutterlo vetukkondi ..The Italian of the East ni…..

    Telugu linguists, I am sure, would all want separatism for atleast one right reason

  42. October 5, 2012 at 12:21 pm #

    Otis Elevator Company is the world leader of vertical transportation systems.

    I spent 10 minutes going through the specifications of their products sold in the Indian market. The results are summarized below:

    Home – 3 persons-850 X 1,200 mm i.e. 10.9 square feet yielding 3.6 square feet per person
    Vector – 5 persons-1,170 X 800 mm i.e. 9.9 square feet yielding 2.0 square feet per person
    Vector – 6 persons-1,170 X 920 mm i.e. 11.4 square feet yielding 1.9 square feet per person
    Vector – 8 persons-1,300 X 1,080 mm i.e. 15.1 square feet yielding 1.9 square feet per person
    Essentia – 5 persons-1,020 X 910 mm i.e. 9.9 square feet yielding 2.0 square feet per person
    Essentia – 6 persons-1,020 X 1,010 mm i.e. 10.9 square feet yielding 1.8 square feet per person
    Optimus – 6 persons-1,200 X 910 mm i.e. 11.7 square feet yielding 2.0 square feet per person
    Optimus – 8 persons-1,300 X 1,100 mm i.e. 15.5 square feet yielding 1.9 square feet per person
    Optimus – 10 persons-1,350 X 1,300 mm i.e. 18.9 square feet yielding 1.9 square feet per person
    Optimus – 13 persons-2,000 X 1,100 mm i.e. 23.8 square feet yielding 1.8 square feet per person
    Quantum – 8 persons-1,300 X 1,100 mm i.e. 15.5 square feet yielding 1.9 square feet per person
    Quantum – 10 persons-1,350 X 1,300 mm i.e. 18.9 square feet yielding 1.9 square feet per person
    Quantum – 13 persons-2,000 X 1,100 mm i.e. 23.8 square feet yielding 1.8 square feet per person
    Quantum – 16 persons-2,000 X 1,300 mm i.e. 28.4 square feet yielding 1.8 square feet per person
    Quantum – 20 persons-2,000 X 1,550 mm i.e. 33.7 square feet yielding 1.7 square feet per person
    GeN2Comfort – 5 persons-1,000 X 950 mm i.e. 10.2 square feet yielding 2.0 square feet per person
    GeN2Comfort – 6 persons-1,000 X 1,100 mm i.e. 11.9 square feet yielding 2.0 square feet per person
    GeN2Comfort – 8 persons-1,100 X 1,300 mm i.e. 15.5 square feet yielding 1.9 square feet per person
    GeN2Comfort – 9 persons-1,100 X 1,450 mm i.e. 17.3 square feet yielding 1.9 square feet per person
    GeN2Comfort – 10 persons-1,100 X 1,600 mm i.e. 18.7 square feet yielding 1.9 square feet per person
    GeN2Comfort – 13 persons (D)-1,100 X 2,000 mm i.e. 23.8 square feet yielding 1.8 square feet per person
    GeN2Comfort – 13 persons (W)-1,600 X 1,350 mm i.e. 22.9 square feet yielding 1.8 square feet per person
    GeN2Comfort – 15 persons-1,000 X 2,400 mm i.e. 26.1 square feet yielding 1.7 square feet per person

    The web side did not provide specifications for a few products. That may not matter as the above data is enough for a reasonable analysis.

    Conclusions:

    1. Elevators are built assuming square feet/person ratios between 1.7-2.0
    2. The only exception is the home elevator used in bungalows, private villas & penthouses. Even this is 3.6 square feet/person: apparently even the super rich folks don’t want the 4 square feet luxury space recommended by Adusumilli
    3. Adusumilli’s 16 square feet/4 persons capacity elevator does not seem to exist
    4. Otis is a handmaid of the rabid separatists bent upon destroying Telugu unity 🙂

    • October 7, 2012 at 8:12 pm #

      Jai go, superb deduction skills.. Could you clarify the following things..

      Essentia – 5 persons-1,020 X 910 mm
      Essentia – 6 persons-1,020 X 1,010 mm

      For an additional 1 person to fit in, the lift width has been increased only by 100mm.. that is only 3 inches. so to my understanding the design is not in proportionate to no, of people rather weight. because in otis website the weight capacity for 5 people is 340 and for 6 it is 408.. so the weight has been increased in proportionate but not the area.

      Also u mentioned each person gets from 1.7 to 2 sq feet room. let us assume it is 2 ft width. means 24 inches. A normal adult usually have a waist size of 32 inches. if u take half of that it would be 16 inches. but the person can’t travel in the elevator by lifting his both hands upwards. so u need another 3 inches atleast to accomodate his hands if the person has to stand in a complete attention position with no bags hanging his side ways. may be otis did not expect people carry any while going into lift.

      after all the place consumed in an attention position the place left out is 5 inches. ie without ‘sankalo saddi’. or without carrying any flags.. heck without moving the arms..

      this is only just for standing.. without any space for free movement. which is most likely in a public rally.

      I assume in a public rally people does not face towards different direction (as like in elevator) for space management.

      and the last but not the least, an elevator is purposed to carry people for a short while of less than 10 mins.. Read some time back the world’s longest elevator in a mine takes 4 mins of time to travel from base to end. so I am generous in saying 10 mins.

      But if you ask the people in an elevator to be in the same positions for 3 hrs (assuming the time of march), I doubt anyone will go into it.

      so, here is the explanation behind these lifts as told by one of my neighbor working in the same otis R&D department for more than 15 years.

      as per the govt norms (BIS code I think), the weight of a person has to be considered at 68 kgs.

      and then it should NOT accomdate not even one person than the specified no. of people. (which basically depends on the wieght). In other words, if a lift is mentioned to carry 5 persons, it barely has to fit in the 5 people but in a true sense they are able to carry only 4 because of even the small luggage will occupy some space that deny room for a 5th person.

      as he said, the concept is similar to cars.. even though car manufacturers advertise their cars as 5 seater, people has to squeeze in with no room left to keep any luggage.

      but you got squeeze people in a rally where u see them moving freely, some with flags, some with sankalo saddi (those who believed it as indefinite 🙂 ) and with bag of stones to pelt on shops, and some with kerosine cans to burn media vehicles. may be this time they did not carry any hammers to vandalise statues.

      and yeah, now u can have a big laugh to ur morbid sense of humor in the last point, but unfortunately even otis does not seems to be helping the cause of separatists.

      • October 7, 2012 at 8:18 pm #

        In my above comment please read as
        >> this is only just for standing.. without any space for free movement. which is most unlikely in a public rally.

      • October 7, 2012 at 11:45 pm #

        Satya, good questions.

        I did not use elevator capacity to estimate crowds. Adusumilli did so but used “fuzzy logic” instead of reading speck docs.

        Don’t people carry backpags in elevators? I see many who do. Most elevators I have been in accomodate the published capacity.

        I did not see anyone carrying petrol, stones, bombs etc. at the rall. I guess you are thinking of the Parakala & TGV tamasha at Kurnool 🙂

        • October 8, 2012 at 2:05 pm #

          >> Most elevators I have been in accomodate the published capacity.

          I doubt so.. because today the office lift I used mentioned a capacity of 1350kgs. so an estimated 18 people has to fit in (as per bis code) and it hardly could manage 12.

          in any case, as someone pointed out, can we fit in 250 people in a 1000 sq ft flat.. and as per lift analogy it should accomdate for 500 people. taking each person occupies 2sft. (correct me if wrong, i made a hurried calculation )

  43. October 5, 2012 at 12:22 pm #

    After going thru Anvesh’s (http://tentelangana.blogspot.in/) article, it seems clear to me that the issue really is of Hyderabad and not Telangana vs Coasta.

    As and when Centre finally allows Telangana, it is highly unlikely that Hyd will be allowed to be exclusive and separatists will not be able to fight a second battle. Any further agitation will run the risk of Hyd becoming a UT

    Here is where the economy matters as I mentioned above. Suddenly the so called poor districts of telangana will not have any cross-subsidising revenues from the relatively “richer” Coasta. And a separate Telangana (unfortunately) will adversely hit the poor telaganites who will end up paying for the politicians greed. Incremental growth in IT etc sectors will shift to Vizag & Vijayawada-Guntur belt. As Prabhakar’s mother said elsewhere, chesukunnavariki chesukunnanta…

  44. October 5, 2012 at 2:00 pm #

    EE parakalu gadu VP ani telusu kaani inta VP ani ippude ardham ayyindi

  45. October 5, 2012 at 2:15 pm #

    @parakala

    Sorry. I Got It Wrong About The Number of Stars –

    http://bit.ly/QVSdQr #Telangana

  46. October 5, 2012 at 7:59 pm #

    @ Parakala

    Your analysis is awesome same like mentally ill person sitting in mental hospital and analyzing no sense..

    If possible you analyze how many mosquitoes, how many insects, how many bees there in tankbund..and submit report to International Genetics and Genomics Group who came Hyderabad..

    I didnt expected andhrites are this much ultra talented,..compare to human andhrites brains is not enough in this galaxy. i think you people should live in other galaxy for your ultra Robotic 8th sense talent..OMG.. i Cant stop laughing your gr8 analysis..

    If you have guts please Post same analysis of samaikyandhra maarch conducted on sep 30th 2012 by andhrites..not even 100 people participated..

  47. October 5, 2012 at 8:14 pm #

    Parakala anna,
    i am also interested in knowing the numbers. i was at march from 1Pm to 7PM. i left because of rain as i was already sick.
    today technology is much advanced.
    we can get mobile numbers registered at cell towers in and around the necklace road and tank bund area. we will deduct the number of normal sunday crowd
    and then we add the normal sunday crowd visiting NTR gardens, Lumbini park, Imax, shopping areas around as they were closed on that day.
    Pl get that details attested by concerned authorities then there will be some meaningful estimation can be arrived.
    My understanding is that If the march was allowed free and fair with well in advance permission, the crowd could definitely reach 1 crore.
    Thank you.

  48. October 6, 2012 at 1:17 am #

    Prabhakar,

    I was really worried when few TG guys attacked on you but now I understand why they did.

    Please also do the analysis on Prof. Samuel’s SA march on that day? How many ppl? Ask Langapati and let us know.

    Shame on you SA guys for faulthu discussion.. Memmalini tharimi tharimi knotte rojulu daggarne unnavi.

    Jai Telangana

  49. October 6, 2012 at 11:37 pm #

    Who is this Adusumillis Jayprakash? Looks like has just one connection. Is that one connection you? 🙂

  50. October 7, 2012 at 9:15 pm #

    Kodandaram, a prominent waste fellow, ఒక మూర్కుడు…చెంచాగాడు, ….

    He is spoiling the state.

    మాట్లాడితే తెలంగాణా కోసం 1000 మంది బలిదానం చేసారు అంటారు? కెసిఆర్ కొడుకు చావల? కూతురు చావల! తెరాస నాయకుల బిడ్డలు ఎవరు చావల!!!

    వీళ్ళకి కావాల్సింది పదవులు, డబ్బు ….మద్యలో పిచ్చి ప్రజలు బలిపశువులు…..

    KCR is a political jaffa..pichi kukka

    • October 10, 2012 at 9:36 pm #

      mari nuvvem chestunnav lagadapati rajagopal ku ,kavuri ki,rayapatiki,payyavula keshav ku kommu kastunnavaa, small states aithe andariki benfit avutundi,meeru madrass nundi separate aithe wrong kaadu kani memu metho kalisindi 1956 nove 1 ippudu separate aithamante meeru oppose chestaru meeko nyayam maako nyayam,meru cheste correct memu cheste wrong, andukani cheptunna epatikynaa telangana separate avutundi ippudu kakapothe repu lekapothe ellundi,if you visit to the north india they will say tht south india is full of scamsters area because u fellows damaged all name and fame of south india,especially hyderabad, september edition OUTLOOK MAGZINE released artical called SCAM CAPITAL OF INDIA HYDERABAD in that 16 people name mentioned they all belongst to seemandhra region eg:gaali janardhan reddy,gaali somasheker reddy,ysr, ys.jagan,satyma ramalinga raju,matrix prasadh,kavuri sambhashiva rao,venkat ram reddy (DECCAN CHRONICAL) AND MANY MORE….HOW YOUR SAYING THT YOUR NOT FEELING ASHAME BUT WE ARE FEELING ASHAMED WITH U PEOPLE WE DONT WANT TO LIVE WITH U PEOPLE,,,U SAID MANY STUDENTS DIED BECAUSE OF U PEOPLE WEN 2004, 2009 ELECTION DID NOT SAID SAMAIKYANDHRA BT OFTER DEC 9 2009 SUDDENLY STARTED FALTOO SAMIKYANDHRA THE NAME ITSELF WRONG BECAUSE U SHOULD CALL SAMAIKYANDHRAPRADESH…WAKE UP NOW

      • October 11, 2012 at 1:37 pm #

        sare.. memu chesinatle meeru chestaara? memu maa capital vodilesi vachesam.. meeru ade chestara? small states aithe benefit antunnav kada.. will u accept for making a hyd state? so that T people can have two good capitals instead of one hyd.

        who voted for YSR in 2004 and even 2009? y T people voted to YSR and made him win in 59 seats?

        • October 11, 2012 at 9:27 pm #

          ur answer is foolish,we merged in andhra region we want demerger not any thing more then that u people ask kept urs and ask also others not feeling shame u peopl,in 2004 congress and trs won more then 200 seats first know it the n talk they mainl talk is only telangana in that time and 2009 congress party and tdp contestd and they included in thr manifesto telangana congress won 155 and TDP won 93, dont misguide people, for samaikyandhra only one party contested in 2009 elections tht is cpm they won 1 seat, In 1956 hyderabad city boarder is old city to punjagutta ,ofter that they extended and included 4 telangana dist like rangareddy,medak,nalgonda and maheboobnagar,how u people ask hyderabad and hyd city drinking water supply from singur and manjeera rivers it is in meadak,telangana people never ask others we dont want ur inch land from andhra,In telangana total 10 dist only one city is thr that is hyderabad,But seemaandhra region they hav more cities like vijayawada,vishakapatnam,tirupathi,karnul,gunturu,kadapa and many more u have more then aireport but we have only one aireport and one city, still u people asking hyderabad did you know the history of hyderabad,realy u people going wrong way,

          • October 11, 2012 at 11:42 pm #

            oops.. even I dont know we have an airport in guntur.. we also demerged from hyderabad state in1780 and merged back after independence with our capital city.

            do u have 2009 manifesto of congress where they promised telangana?

            yes. if keep hyd, then no other cities will develop. better u demerge with hyd making it as UT and start developing all other small towns into big cities.

  51. October 7, 2012 at 9:23 pm #

    iam agree with ur crowd estimation bt wt abt ur samaikyandhra march it has min 4 or max 7 members agitating in vijayawada,vishakapatnam,guntur,ananthapuram,eluru and krishna total 42 maximum members compare with ur estimation 18000 t march its bigger then ur calculations yaar just put mind in ur brain rather then leg,if u dont know abt numbers 18000 more then 42 if you know proper knowledge in maths,hw pity u fellows half happy loosers, iam one point that we cant leave with scamsters like andhra fellows if dont know read outlook magzine in september edition called ” scam capital of india is hyderabad” in that they mentioned 16 capatalist belongst to seemandhra fellows so we dont want leave with scamsters like u fellows….can u understand people movement..

  52. October 7, 2012 at 9:28 pm #

    if wants to agitate for samaikyandhra bt name itself is wrong because u have to include samaikyandhrapradesh ,if u agitate this movement u have to start agitation in telangana district because we are saying separation thats why ur movement should start in telangana so ur ready start lets start ,,if dare it u get may be good result because some of the fellows like jaggareddy will suport you and danam so start in telangana first rather the starting thr, you bakwas people and looters…

  53. October 8, 2012 at 2:09 pm #

    Andhra Coastal people should agitate for Hyderabad/Sec’ bad as an Union Territory. And Centre should make this a precondition for separation

    This itself will take out all steam from the so called people’s movement

  54. October 8, 2012 at 2:44 pm #

    Those who are thinking the grid mechanism of counting the crowd is faulty (or.. falthu in T lang), better go thru the following resources..

    http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/the-curious-science-of-counting-a-crowd

    http://www.ehow.com/how_8499360_calculate-crowd-size.html

    http://science.discovery.com/stories/week/measuring-crowds.html

    The person who came with the grid approach: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herbert_Jacobs

    http://www.sfgate.com/politics/article/Counting-crowds-Using-aerial-photography-to-2632320.php

    for a close scientific estimate.. http://dilnxsrv.king.ac.uk/papers/iwsip-97.pdf

    One would find that in all the cases, the actual crowd estimated using the method is faaaaaaar below than just reported in press or in popular public belief.

    • October 8, 2012 at 8:10 pm #

      Satya, the key to any method is georeferencing & a flat plane. Without this, any method is monkey science.

      • October 11, 2012 at 1:40 pm #

        The pic is just one part of analysis. The whole point is based on the area of necklace road where the march happend.

  55. October 11, 2012 at 9:37 pm #

    telangana people never went to the andhra for living but u people came to the hyderabad and many dist in telangana,its ur nature never been kind to the other region people bt telangna people give respect other people and welcome other region even other state people,how many telangana people living in andhra big cities tell me,telangana people go dubai and other states bt they never went to andhra region for living purpose,,,if we acted like andhra people or think like u nobody came to telangana and live here.. u should not commented like this,so think then comment

    • October 11, 2012 at 11:49 pm #

      is there any restriction for people coming to find a job in their own state capital? This is a free country. and people can go anywhere for their livelihood. anyway, if u want to come to andhra region, u r always welcome. There is a scarcity of labor for farmers as many of them migrating to big cities to work in construction coolies. I doubt there are any opportunities for white collar jobs.

  56. October 12, 2012 at 2:54 pm #

    me mind lu elantivi ante maku dakkanidi inka evariki dakkadu ane shadist aproach unnavalu meeru andukane hyd meeda intha lolli chestunaru,okasari emo samaikyam antaru okasari emo hyd ut anaru ,samaikyam antodu samaikyam anaka mali itla antaru mee bathukulu banda pada,oka mata meeda nilapadaru kada meeru,ut cheste mekem labam ayna adi sadyam kaadu endukante MIM accept cheyadu,also central govt oppukodu.appati varaku oka pani cheyandi me samaikyam antolu Ghanta kottandi..

    • October 13, 2012 at 5:12 pm #

      meeku andhrollu tho veru padatam kaavala, hyd kaavaala? okasari emo andhrollatho undalemu antaaru.. inkosaari hyd lekapothe telangana ne vaddu antaaru..

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